Hey, I was wondering if I could get some opinions on the piping colors on a couple of caps that caught my eye.

The seller claims the first cap is either a penal cap (highly unlikely, and doesn’t appear to be so) or a Jäger, but the color doesn’t look quite bright enough to me (though the colors of the Jäger did change somewhat throughout the TR). Opinions on what color it is?

The second cap the seller claims is a chaplain’s assistant. While the piping does look violet, it doesn’t look as violet as others I’ve seen. It almost looks like a medical cap. Opinions? Thanks a lot.

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