Archive for August, 2010

The Story of B-17 “Ye Olde Pub”

Look carefully at the B-17 and note how shot up it is - one engine dead, tail, horizontal stabilizer and nose shot up.. It was ready to fall out of the sky. (This is a painting done by an artist from the description of both pilots many years later.) Then realize that there is a German ME-109 fighter flying next to it.

Charlie Brown was a B-17 Flying Fortress pilot with the 379th Bomber Group at Kimbolton, England. His B-17 was called ‘Ye Old Pub’ and was in a terrible state, having been hit by flak and fighters. The compass was damaged and they were flying deeper over enemy territory instead of heading home to Kimbolton.

After flying the B-17 over an enemy airfield, a German pilot named Franz Steigler was ordered to take off and shoot down the B-17. When he got near the B-17, he could not believe his eyes. In his words, he ‘had never seen a plane in such a bad state’. The tail and rear section was severely damaged, and the tail gunner wounded. The top gunner was all over the top of the fuselage. The nose was smashed and there were holes everywhere.

Despite having ammunition, Franz flew to the side of the B-17 and looked at Charlie Brown, the pilot. Brown was scared and struggling to control his damaged and blood-stained plane.

Aware that they had no idea where they were going, Franz waved at Charlie to turn 180 degrees. Franz escorted and guided the stricken plane to, and slightly over, the North Sea towards England. He then saluted Charlie Brown and turned away, back to Europe. When Franz landed he told the CO that the plane had been shot down over the sea, and never told the truth to anybody. Charlie Brown and the remains of his crew told all at their briefing, but were ordered never to talk about it.
More than 40 years later, Charlie Brown wanted to find the Luftwaffe pilot who saved the crew. After years of research, Franz was found. He had never talked about the incident, not even at post-war reunions.

They met in the USA at a 379th Bomber Group reunion, together with 25 people who are alive now - all because Franz never fired his guns that day.


(L-R) German Ace Franz Stigler, artist Ernie Boyett, and B-17 pilot Charlie Brown.

When asked why he didn’t shoot them down, Stigler later said, “I didn’t have the heart to finish those brave men. I flew beside them for a long time. They were trying desperately to get home and I was going to let them do that. I could not have shot at them. It would have been the same as shooting at a man in a parachute.”

Both men died in 2008.

snopes.com: Charlie Brown

Question Vintage and maker of Allgemeine SS OR visor

Gentlemen,
I kept wondering for some time now about the approxiamte vintage and perhaps the maker of that Allgemeine visor.
Find pictures coming up.


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Need help on helmet please

I JUST put a layaway on a VERY NICE M42 KRIEGSMARINE helmet, the decal is 99.5%, with about 95% of paint still intact.. The shell/liner is VERY NICE with no chinstrap oh and is a single decal..
Theres only one problem with this, it had lacquer on this helmet..
Did they do this to helmets back in the day, or was this done by someone after the war to preserve the helmet??
And if so, how can I get the lacquer off with out destroying the paint/decal??
Or do I even want to do that??

PLEASE EXPERTS HELP ME!!!

Thank you

Beneath hill 60

just finished watching this film all i can say is this is a must see a very well made film & very moving cool militaria

BENEATH HILL 60 Background - WW1 Tunnelers

Beneath Hill 60 (2010)

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museum in grafenwohr ober bayen

im going to look at the military museum in graf tommorow it is only open between 14,00 16,00 on a sunday
im hoping to see some good stuff
i will make sure i take loads of pics
any worth while i will post tommorow
take care all cheers ian

Todays Imperial pics

Guys,

Not much out there today, more machine gunners and some TK badges hard to make out and the bloke with the banjo thing has one of those marksman badges I think?

Regards

Rich:)


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unknown helmet

i believe that this is an italian helmet but im not sure
it is hanging in a bar in Grafenwhoer ober bayen germany
any help as to its true identaty would be much apreciated
it is gloss black painted and as you can see it has a grenade badge on the front
i sould not take a pic of the liner as it is screwed to the wall
cheers guys ian


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Another bootsale BD

Hi all. picked up this 1940 patt BD at a bootsale, was told it belonged to an army surgeon. Its an average BD but i was wondering what the red and blue stripe on the arms means. any ideas? Many thanks.

PS. To all those who saw my previous greatcoat and BD post, sorry my model couldnt make this photo shoot :)

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Some more Somme finds

Hi all. All of these items were found whilst walking the edges of a couple of fields near to the Thiepval memorial, on the site of the Leipzig salient. The 3 .303s are an exception as they were given to me by the owner of the camp site we were staying at, they are interesting as they show signs of a link at the bottom, identifying them as MG ammo. Also is a chunk of old (I think Roman) pottery.


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WWII Indian Para. Beret and cap badge

Pictures of Indian Para. beret with badge. The date looks darker because I made it damp to get a better picture. John.

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