Italian Youth Oganization (GIL) Leader's Knife. No maker. An illustration and description of this pattern knife, used by leaders of the Italian Youth Organization - Gioventu Italiana, del Littorio (GIL), appear on page 18 of Italian Fascist Daggers by Frederick J. Stephens. Cast brass hilt fittings featuring a well detailed eagle head pommel, feather motif backstrap floral design ferrule, and plain, straight crossguard.... Black wooden grip,,, no cracks or chips and is complete with tight triple brass wire wrap. The straight, plated, unfullered blade measuring 6 ½" in length,,no nicks to the 4 5/8" cutting edge and 3 1/8" false edge. Blade is without blade buffer pad. Brown leather scabbard without liner, has the integral reverse riveted belt loop in black leather,,,, Rare Italian Youth Leader knife. *****ALL OVERSEAS BUYERS MUST PURCHASE REGISTERED MAIL SERVICE AT $11.80 FEE,PLUS SIGNED RETURN RECEIPT FOR AN ADDITIONAL $2.80 SENT QUICKEST AIR MAIL SERVICE BY US POST OFFICE ******This Is Non-Negotiable******,,PAY PAL,PERSONAL CHECKS MUST CLEAR MY BANK BEFORE ITEM IS SENT AND US POSTAL MONEY ORDERS ACCEPTED,,,ITEMS RETURNED IN SAME CONDITION AS SENT WILL BE REFUNDED OR PURCHASER MAY USE AS CREDIT TOWARD OTHER ITEMS IF DESIRED,, POSTAGE COSTS /CUSTOMS TAXES ARE NOT REFUNDABLE,,,ITEMS RETURNED IN ALTERED OR DAMAGED CONDITION WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED FOR REFUND OR CREDIT,,,BUYER HAS 3 DAY INSPECTION PERIOD STARTING WITH RECEIPT OF ITEM,,,ITEMS RETURNED MUST BE WITHIN 5 DAYS AFTER EXPIRATION PERIOD HAS EXPIRED,AND BY SAME METHOD OF INITIAL MAILING,,,FAILURE TO DO SO WILL NEGATE RETURN PRIVILEGES AND SALE WILL BE FINAL,,,THANK YOU FOR LOOKING

This is something you don't see very often..thankfully! Not exactly Korean War vintage as it is 55 dated but still close in time. I picked this up Sunday at an estate auction and is the first I've ever had.

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Hi guys! I've been on this site a while now just trawling through but not posting so this is my first thread lol. My name is Ryan and im from Northern Ireland and am just wondering about how I would go about getting an already deactivated gun re-proofed?

I have an underfolding ak47 (bulgarian) made in about 1955, a 1943 dated mosin nagant with matching serial no'd bayonet and numbers throughout and a czech vzor 50 pistol (pics to follow)

The reason I'm asking is because I would really like a sawn-off side by side shotgun to add to my collection but they don't turn up very often. I have found a shotgun cheap enough but could I saw the barrels off and send it away to be re-proofed or would I be deemed as breaking the law by tampering with a deac?:confused:

Or do I leave it to the professionals or leave well alone lol?:D

Thanks for any help,
Ryan

I have collected daggers for years but have never had any daggers check to see if they are real or not. I have a Haenel SA dagger that I have had for awhile and was told that it is a ground Rohm. I have had a Eickhorn ground Rohm before and was told that it was real because of how close the makers mark was to the crossguard. On my Haenel the makers mark is farther away from the crossguard than the Eickhorn about 3/8" from the bottom of the mark, would that be correct? The cross hilt is marked th could a original ground Rohm have this marking? This dagger is ground but you can see just a few tops of letters. Do people mark them and then grind them off to make them look like ground Rohms or is than not usually done. Any other ways to check if a Haenel is a real ground Rohm, I am sure that the dagger is a true SA not post war. Thanks

I have collected daggers for years but have never had any daggers check to see if they are real or not. I have a Haenel SA dagger that I have had for awhile and was told that it is a ground Rohm. I have had a Eickhorn ground Rohm before and was told that it was real because of how close the makers mark was to the crossguard. On my Haenel the makers mark is farther away from the crossguard than the Eickhorn about 3/8" from the bottom of the mark, would that be correct? The cross hilt is marked th could a original ground Rohm have this marking? This dagger is ground but you can see just a few tops of letters. Do people mark them and then grind them off to make them look like ground Rohms or is than not usually done. Any other ways to check if a Haenel is a real ground Rohm, I am sure that the dagger is a true SA not post war. Thanks

I have collected daggers for years but have never had any daggers check to see if they are real or not. I have a Haenel SA dagger that I have had for awhile and was told that it is a ground Rohm. I have had a Eickhorn ground Rohm before and was told that it was real because of how close the makers mark was to the crossguard. On my Haenel the makers mark is farther away from the crossguard than the Eickhorn about 3/8" from the bottom of the mark, would that be correct? The cross hilt is marked th could a original ground Rohm have this marking? This dagger is ground but you can see just a few tops of letters. Do people mark them and then grind them off to make them look like ground Rohms or is than not usually done. Any other ways to check if a Haenel is a real ground Rohm, I am sure that the dagger is a true SA not post war. Thanks

As stated in the Fake WWI thread:

This thread is not about trashing the individual who may be selling the wings we post, it is about educating ourselves so when we do see them on sites, we can steer clear of them. There is a lot of deliberate "crookery" that happens - true, however sellers in some cases may really not know that what they are selling is bad. As Oddball would say "Don't hit me with them negative vibes man".


Please post examples of fakes, and explain the differences to be found in the fake and real example if at all possible. It helps to know why...



Steve...(Walkwolf), you can have the honor of posting the first as I no longer collect WWII wings. I do however have some reference photos of fake ones, but I have to find them.

I found these items a while back and need help with the round rusty item. It is approx 125mm (4") wide & 25mm (1") thick with a 10mm hole in the middle... Any ideas?
Cheers
Dan

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I would like to start a thread where we can post examples of fake wings from WWI. Later, I will start a thread for WWII Allied fakes. please don't hesitate to add to this thread so it may serve as a reference guide to fakes.

This thread is not about trashing the individual who may be selling the wings we post, it is about educating ourselves so when we do see them on sites, we can steer clear of them. There is a lot of deliberate "crookery" that happens - true, however sellers in some cases may really not know that what they are selling is bad. As Oddball would say "Don't hit me with them negative vibes man".

This particular wing is pretending to be a hand-chased (chiseled) example, however, the detail is crude and very poor. The "gold" US on the shield appears to be brass, gold does not tarnish like this. In fact, there are traces of green verdigris around both the U and the S if you look closely...silver does not turn green either by the way. The shield is poorly detailed behind the US and the design is inconsistent - something you would not find on a period hand chased piece. The piece, in my opinion, looks as if an attempt has been made to artificially age it. Look at the dark spot on the right wing, it appears to have been heated.

Additionally, the hinge, (tiny) pin, and catch are wrong as well. The hinge is post-war, the anemic pin would never stand up to repeated pinning without being bent, and the catch is feeble and not seen on period wings.

The backing is mint, with no signs of wear. I won't say that no WWI wing EVER had an OD wool backing, but this is definitely NOT the norm, and with the other red flags, it does not speak well of the rest of the piece. The way that the backing is sewn (very tightly) prohibits the viewer from seeing the details of construction to the back plate...obviously it was done this way for good reason.

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Hello All,

I want to relate and share an experience that I’m sure most, if not all, of you experience at least one time in your collecting life.

Have you ever searched high and low for items, then only to find them being offered by a dealer that is asking 2X, 5X and/or 10X current market price trends?

Today I finally located some superb factory worker badges only to have my hopes dashed when I looked at the asking prices. In one instance, he is asking $1800 for a badge that I can purchase right now for $200! Plus shipping is $90 to the U.S. I mean Eeegatts!

There are a couple of dealers out there like this. They have truly terrific items - the creme de la creme, but it never sells since it is priced in the stratosphere.

But if I’ve learned anything, eventually something that will send waves of excitement to your brain will always come along. Patience in this hobby is a real virtue.